Ungovernable Women with Portia Mount
"Ungovernable Women" (formerly The Manifista) dives into the lives and careers of extraordinary women who have redefined success on their own terms. Each episode offers a glimpse into the journeys of trailblazing women who dare to lead audacious, purpose-driven lives and the lessons they learned along the way.
Ungovernable Women with Portia Mount
Intentional Community Building with Amy Jah
Portia is joined by Amy Jah for a conversation about the importance of community in business. Amy is the owner of American Moving and Hauling and the founder of the Sugar Mamas Movement. She shares her entrepreneurial story and explains how her experience led her to build the supportive and powerful community she wished she had when she started her career.
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Hi, I'm Portia Mount, creator and host of Ungovernable Women, formerly the Manifesta Podcast, the lifestyle and career podcast for aspiring women. Our new name reflects our mission to reach even more listeners with stories of women who are breaking boundaries and redefining success. I have a favor to ask you, if you haven't done so already, please rate and subscribe to the pod. Wherever you listen to your podcasts, it boosts our rankings and helps more people discover us. Thanks for tuning in. Welcome to Season 5 of Ungovernable Women, the career and lifestyle podcast for aspiring women ready to break barriers. I'm Portia Mouw and I'm thrilled to be back. We've got a new name, but our mission remains stronger than ever helping women find their purpose, lead high-impact careers and meaningful lives. This season, we'll bring you the stories of women who forged their own paths to success. It's our time to shine. Let's dive in.
Speaker 2:Hey squad, I am so happy to welcome a woman whom I've admired for many years. Amy Jha is owner of American Moving and hauling, a woman-owned family-run business located here in North Carolina, and if you are in the Carolinas, you may have seen their hot pink moving trucks on the road, and we're going to talk all about how she got to that gorgeous hot pink color later in our conversation. Amy is also founder and CEO of Sugar Mamas Movement, which seeks to facilitate connecting women together for the purpose of growth, support and success by coming together with our own richest resources, and I love this concept so much because community has become even more important, I think, in this digital age that we're living in, and in a time when we're talking about loneliness and making and creating adult friendships, amy's created this incredible community that's not just a community, but it's a third space for connection, commerce, friendship and community building. Welcome, amy.
Speaker 3:Thank you so much.
Speaker 2:You made me sound so good you are so good, you are so good girl. So, amy, I want to just like let's kind of set the table here and talk about how you went from being an owner in a very male-dominated industry which I can relate to, working in manufacturing and you know it's. You know a male-dominated industry of moving and hauling and this you know building a new business, Sugar Mama. So walk us through kind of that trajectory, how you got from there to here.
Speaker 3:That is. So that's such a loaded question because I feel like there was never like a straight line or like a plan, to be honest, for either business. It just happened. I don't want to say I fell into it, because that insinuates that things were easy and you just you know, but I have been. We celebrate our 20 years in business with American Moving and Hauling this month in May. Wow, Congratulations. Thank you so much. I tell people that I started when I was five, Because you like, we will.
Speaker 2:We're going to get to just the whole Amy job. Vibe, look because you definitely have a presence that I think is very distinctive.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, thank you. But yeah, so I. I think that the reason I started Sugar Mamas not, I think I know I had done business by myself for so long and in a male-dominated industry where I didn't find a lot of kinship, I didn't find a lot of partners, I didn't find a lot of information, because I feel like women are socialized to collaborate more and men are very competitive and when it's in a boys industry, in a male circle, they're very gatekeeping and they don't take you seriously, and so I just felt kind of isolated in doing the moving company and I wanted to create something where women could support each other. And so I think there's so many different stops along the way. But I had went to a women's conference I think it was about three years ago and it was like a whole new world opened up to me that I really didn't know existed because I was doing everything alone and I didn't know that there were women out here that were like go girl, you know, like I had never experienced that before, and so I feel like from that moment on it really sparked something in me and so over the last few years I've just really been organically supporting women, referring women, you know, connecting people and it's just been like a huge passion of mine and Sugar Mamas came out of.
Speaker 3:I tell people that I kind of put the cart before the horse, because I said I want to create an amazing event for women in the community. That is twofold, that it supports women in business and also brings you know, like the overworked, overstressed, burnout women in the community together to like just have a celebratory day right, enjoy themselves. And so I started doing that. But then, as I got deeper into the why, I was like this isn't just it, it's just not a one day event. Like I want a continuous it. It's just not a one day event.
Speaker 2:Like I want a continuous community of women, like I don't want to just wait one, one day a year and be like, oh yeah, this is great, just have like a thing, it's just to do like a party. Yeah, yeah, uh-huh, exactly.
Speaker 3:So that's kind of where it came from. And you know, you know we you and I both work with Jodi Brim and um, she gives some prompts, you know some journal prompts and stuff like that. That will rock your world and I feel like that's where it really started. Unearthing things for me is when I took the time to sit down and process like what are you doing? Why are you doing? Why do you want to do it?
Speaker 2:What's your why?
Speaker 3:What's your why?
Speaker 2:here. I think that's really powerful, amy. So one there are a couple of things that I love, which is that it takes a lot of guts to just say you know what I'm going to put this group together of women. There's this experience that I want to have, that I wish I'd had, and I want to create it for other women, and I love that. You like what. I wonder if you could just talk about, like, the time from concept to execution. How long did that take? Like, did you do you feel like, did you overthink it or did you like, okay, I'm just gonna go and see what happens and like, let's just learn from this experience. Like, what was that process of putting that first kind of event together?
Speaker 3:And yeah, I'm a chronic overthinker, but I think that I was around the right people that gave me the push that I needed to do it. So, from the time that I started planning the shopping event was around October of 2023. And then by March of 2024 is when I launched the membership. We had the event and launched the membership.
Speaker 2:So you did an event and describe the shopping event for people Cause now I've been to both of your shopping events and I always say every year I'm not shopping anymore.
Speaker 3:I have enough clothes.
Speaker 2:I have enough candles, listen, I have enough body creams. And then, girl, I'm at that shopping event like shopping, like my little little ones on it.
Speaker 3:So they appreciate you coming through the doors I'm shopping for my life, I was.
Speaker 2:I am shopping, you will get. You will get portion amounts money, let me tell you at a sugar mama's event, but talk about, like, talk about the, because this is actually it's a really cool concept and just so, talk about the shopping event and how that came together and yeah and what you kind of what you learned.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh gosh. So so many things. I could probably write a novel. Um, so the concept for the shopping experience is to is to bring all women owned businesses together. So, um, we did that with vendors and sponsors, so it was an all women owned extravaganza. Basically, we let a few men in to do some key things, but really it was just. It was just women and that's what I wanted to create, because I thought that's so powerful for other women to see, like what we can produce. And so I really curated this event really carefully and I don't want to come off as snobbish or anything like that, but what I didn't want to create was like a flea market or an outdoor craft market. I really wanted to put together really great, you know, artisans and vendors and boutiques that really curate their line of things, and so that was really important to me to put together something really quality. And so that's what we did. I think we did that really really well.
Speaker 2:And it was a real like one of the things I'd love for you to also talk, maybe unpack a little bit more is like it was, because, you're right, it wasn't a flea market, it wasn't like going to a farmer's market or just a craft. It was like you walked into this beautiful space. There was, there was music, there were beautiful decorations. Sugar Mamas has an incredible look. The minute you walk in, you're like, oh, I'm someplace special and there's really wonderful things around me, and so I just like it's. You cure, you create it such an amazing experience that, like I, it's very it was really memorable.
Speaker 3:Oh, that means so much. When I get feedback like that, I'm just like I did what I set out to do because I wanted to make it special. I wanted to make it special for women that attended and women that participated. And yeah, we did, we had I totally forgot about that, like I've just been doing it. So like we, we have a DJ, we had a bar, we had all the sayings and I was that amazing, that was so gorgeous VAT sex you had a VAT.
Speaker 2:You had a VAT Wow.
Speaker 3:Was that amazing. That was so gorgeous.
Speaker 2:It was amazing, it was gorgeous, it was gorgeous and I think what I love for you know people, so one is like you created this space for women, by women, and it was very, it was very unique. Uh, and it's in what it offered and what, um, like you walked away feeling like people are just smiling. Everywhere People were smiling and the photo booths and everything was just so thoughtful in terms of all the details.
Speaker 3:Thank you. Yeah, that's one reason we decided to name it the shopping experience, because that's what we wanted to provide for women, and a lot of the feedback that we've gotten has been, you know, it was just such a supportive environment. Everyone was happy to be there. It was so encouraging and there was, like newer businesses that participated I mean like brand new, like just had started you know a couple months, and they were just like I can't believe how much positivity we got from this event and it was just it's really lit a fire for me to continue. So I was like you know what we did that?
Speaker 2:You really did. Now I'm curious, like in terms of the like we won't go too far down this rabbit hole, but like in terms of the business model, because Sugar Mamas isn't just only the shopping experience, right, like you've done, like you so talk about just the overall, what container, if you will, for what Sugar Mamas is, because the shopping experience is kind of one pillar of it, but there's other aspects of Sugar Mamas.
Speaker 3:Right. I would say that Sugar Mamas is like the wedding dress and the train is the shopping experience. So we have a full-on mission that is outside of this. It's not this is not just. This is more kind of like a showcase of the women in our community, but Sugar Mamas itself is a membership-based community, education, value to their entrepreneurial experience, as well as providing community that can just listen and not always try to fix every single thing but just be like you know what. I know exactly how you feel and it's going to get better and we might cry tonight and in the morning we'll get up and we'll start again because we're all crazy. But it is a community. We do meet in person and we do virtual as well. So we try to accommodate people's schedule because, like as you said, busy, busy schedules. It's sort of like that. You know you just try your best to meet up and put everything you know in your schedule, but we try to be accommodating in that, in that way so you have like, is it monthly meetings?
Speaker 2:and I know you've had some interesting topical ones, like you do one like on sexual health. I think, which, by the way, the, the um, the instagram reel for that. I think it was like with a popping balloon I died, I died, I died. It wasn't like, I wasn't like on vaginal blindness, I wasn't. I was like, yeah, it's sexual health and I was like, oh my God, I went there Exactly.
Speaker 3:No, I'm not afraid to talk about a lot of things you know you're not so I know that if I embarrass my mother, I'm going in the right direction. So that's my gauge.
Speaker 2:That is the best. That is what I, what I and what I love is like. And I think when people you know we're going to share all your social handles, when people see Amy Jaa, like not only do you have this incredible presence, but it's real. Like you see Amy who's dressed up with her makeup on and she's wearing her hot pink and her hair and for those of you who can't see you're listening to this she's got this really like platinum blonde, pixie haircut and like perfect makeup. But then there's like Amy in her kitchen eating chicken wings with no makeup on in her bathrobe and you're like, wait a minute, what?
Speaker 2:And you're like talking about, like you're like smacking on your chicken wing, talking about like what's going, you know? And it's like that is, and I love that about you because I think that shows the fullness of what it is to be a woman and to be a mother and to be an entrepreneur and, like you, just keep it all the way.
Speaker 3:Well, I get a lot of comments about that chicken wing video. People love it it was, it was iconic.
Speaker 2:It was iconic Cause I was like is she?
Speaker 3:sure.
Speaker 2:And like you were like you weren't just eating chicken, you were like leaning into the chicken. That was the other thing. So I was like you were getting after the. It was like a fake, like I'm eating a chicken wing for Instagram. It was like I'm leaning, I'm tucking into this chicken wing. And I happened to be right. You got to get in there, girl. You got to get all to me, you got to get all the way in, and so maybe that's a great way to. Maybe it's a good segue to talk about your brand and I think I'm a little bit bored of the discussion around professional and personal brand but the reality is it's really important, right, it's important, it's important and it's important to know what you stand for. You talked earlier about your why. So I'm just and we share a mutual friend and advisor in Jodi Brim Jodi Brim Creative.
Speaker 2:We're going to shout out to you, jodi, but like, but just talk about like your brand and like how it's evolved, and like because you show like you do show up in a really distinctive and authentic way. So like, was that planned? Like, how did you think about? How do I want to show the world who Amy Jha is?
Speaker 3:You know it was not planned, like most of my life. That's the best way to do it, like all my plans. Yeah, exactly they usually don't go exactly the way I want. So you know, I just think that I am just interested in being who I am and I don't care Not to say. You know, if someone doesn't like you it doesn't hurt your feelings or whatever. But at the end of the day. I don't really care, because I'm just going to be who I am, and so who's Amy and who is Amy?
Speaker 2:Like if you had to describe yourself. I know, I'm just throwing all these zingers at you. Like, if you had to describe yourself, like, how would you describe yourself?
Speaker 3:I think that humor is like at the top of my personality. Like that makes everything better. I can find humor in almost every situation. Personality Like that makes everything better, I can find humor in almost every situation. That's why me and my husband get along so well. I'm also, like, very tenacious. It's hard to get me to stop doing something. I will just keep on. You know, can't? I can't stop. It's like taking a bone away from a dog sometimes, and so I think that's worked well for me and also not. It just depends on the situation. But yeah, I just show up as me.
Speaker 3:I feel like and when I started building my brand, I wasn't thinking about building my brand, I was just getting on social media and talking about stuff that I felt was humorous, or sharing stuff about my kids or something about work or whatever. It wasn't necessarily with a plan, it was just me being like hey, I want to connect with people. This person might think this is funny or this person might think this is interesting, and so that's kind of where I started. So that's kind of where I started. And then I think, when I started turning that into, like how can this benefit my business, I guess, or turning my personality towards my business, not me. That knew me and knew my personality and knew what I wanted to share, and so it made it much more seamless, like if you're working with marketing professionals. And again, jodi, you know she knew me and helped me bring that to a higher level.
Speaker 2:I guess I should say bring that to a higher level. I guess I should say I love that you made that connection between who you are and your business. You know, because it's a big, I think, especially for women entrepreneurs. A lot of times we're like, well, there's my business and then there's me, and then the reality is, is that your business is infused with who you are and so, uh, you have the hot pink trucks and like. So, talk about like you know.
Speaker 2:And again, I think, because a lot of our listeners are kind of early mid-career and they're figuring these things out right, and it's like is it like? I think I can imagine now, not, I couldn't imagine this for amy job, I can imagine this for others saying like I could never have a hot pink truck. That is just like too over the top, right, but in reality it works seamlessly with who you are. So just talk about like those elements that you started to bring into the business and like what? Like what worked well, were there and also were there any things worked well, were there and also were there any things that you tried out? And you're like, eh, probably, maybe this is a bridge too far. I don't want to, maybe I shouldn't do that. I'm just kind of curious, like what you've learned and trying to building your, your brand personally, but like infusing that into the business, into your businesses, I should say.
Speaker 3:Well, I think, I think that really to have a business now, you have to show who you are, because people do not want to do business with people that they don't know they're not going to give their money to you. Say it again so, unfortunately, if you don't like to put yourself out there, you're kind of at a disadvantage already, so you kind of have to force yourself until you get to that level of comfort. You know, because we're wired for connection, right. So whether we know you personally or not, we want to feel like we connected with you. Oh, we like we know her personality.
Speaker 3:Oh, she's really fun. She loves color, she loves this pink. She must be like, really bubbly and you know I'd love to hang out with her, so it's just kind of a natural thing. And you know I'd love to hang out with her. So it's just kind of a natural thing. And I think that you have to be yourself and who you are in order to attract the people that you want to work with, because some people would be repulsed by me Like, oh my God, like I don't want to. Like you know there's been men that have made comments about our truck and we have our slogan on the truck that says woman owned. Make your own sandwich.
Speaker 3:Make your own sandwich, and some guys are so delicate with their masculinity that that really offends them. Well, you're not my ideal client. I don't want to work with you, you know. So you know. I don't know if that answers your question completely, but I feel like it was again. It wasn't really planned. I knew that the I love pink. It worked well because 80% of our customer base is are women. That color is going to attract women, so there was some marketing involved in that too. But and it just worked great also that the Barbie movie came out that year when we did all of our rebranding and did all the hot pink. So I was like I couldn't have planned that better. So there you go with, like not having the plan, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well. But you know, I would say like, maybe not a plan, but you have an instinct, yeah Right. And when I'm hearing you say and I think which is such a great, a valuable takeaway for our listeners is like, trust, who you are, trust to express that gut trust. You know it is a pretty gutsy move to decide you're going to paint your truck, to wrap your trucks in pink. But also it's like very much like if you know amy jaw, you know like then the pink trucks totally make sense. Right, they totally make sense because that is like hot pink and black is like that is your color scheme and it's woven through. And I, when I see hot pink and black, I'm like where is Amy? Where is Amy?
Speaker 2:somewhere, amy is somewhere in the building she's in the building when I see hot pink, when I see hot and so, and so I love that. Whether intentionally or maybe subconsciously, you've brought that, you know, and I'm a marketer too, so I think a lot about these things as a you know, I've been a chief marketing officer and now in my own business. But, uh, I think a lot about like gosh, that's like, it's so, and the fact that like, like, if I see hot pink and black, I think about you.
Speaker 3:I'm like that's good, we did it.
Speaker 2:That's the recall. That's the recall you're looking for. Right, and, and so you know. So the question is like for our listeners is like, what's that one thing that can be memorable about who you?
Speaker 3:are.
Speaker 3:It doesn't have to be a color per se, but it's like how you show up and I think that you know like this is a little off topic, but like I have kind of pretty much given up LinkedIn. I tried it. I tried it. I realized it's not for me, it's not where my client base is at. It works great for a lot of people, but I felt like who I am doesn't project well on that platform. So I had to take a step back and say, am I going to continue to kind of spin my wheels to an audience that's not mine, you know, or change the way that I am to grab an audience, you know. So I think you have to learn who your audience is and how much you want to show of yourself or how professional you want to look. I am anti-corporate, so you're never going to get that vibe from me. But you know, if that's your field, then that might be your platform.
Speaker 2:It really just individual you know I love that and it's interesting. So I'm super fascinated that, like you think LinkedIn, because I mean I would think with your business and everything, linkedin would be perfect, but you're saying like, no, like, that's not where my audience is. Do you get business from Instagram? Do you find that like? Or do you find that like you're the um, you know, uh, engagement you get converts into business for you, whether it's for sugar mamas and or the moving it is.
Speaker 3:It is. It's Instagram for sugar mamas. It's for Sugar Mamas. And or the Moving and Hauling it is. It is it's Instagram for Sugar Mamas.
Speaker 1:It's Facebook for American Moving and Hauling, yeah.
Speaker 3:So it depends on the ages and the interests, and so we convert a lot of sales through Facebook for American Moving and Hauling and we build a lot of relationships and build a lot of clientele, you know, through Instagram with Sugar Mama. So it's just kind of finding where your people are and that takes, you know, studying it and being aware of, like you know, taking a step back and be like oh okay, these are my people over here no-transcript.
Speaker 2:Someone came up to me and she's like oh, I love your sports mom. I know I do too.
Speaker 3:That's what I think about when I think about you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was like wow. I was like, oh, wow, she's like you know and you talk about. You know I call my daughter baby girl boss and you know it's like, so it's very interesting, like you're right, like the like how you and I'm consistent across my platforms, but you, I, you'll see me a slightly differently on LinkedIn. I still talk about being a mom and an entrepreneur, but a little bit differently. So, um, so I love that you talk about like how your, you know your audience segments. Talk about like how your you know your audience segments, like knowing your audience and then like knowing where your audience is too right, like and really leaning into that. So I'm curious what? So let's back to Sugar Mamas. Like, what's in the? So you've had, you've had a couple of really good years. You know we're talking kind of in the green room about just you know, the shopping experience and the comparing the first year to the second year. What's in the future for Sugar Mamas movement?
Speaker 3:So we're going to continue with our membership for sure, because that's really our backbone of the of the business and we want to continue doing that. We may restructure a little bit in 2026 to to provide some different tiered options for membership. So you know it, it may not be all local ladies. There'll be a virtual component for people that are not in the area and that's all they can fit in their schedule. So I'm excited about that.
Speaker 2:So you're going national? Are we carrying this here? You're going to go national.
Speaker 3:You're getting a little carried away with the national, but maybe Okay, okay, sorry, no, no, I have high hopes.
Speaker 3:I love that. I love that Dream big right. Yes, I would love that Absolutely. So, yeah, we'll do that, but we'll also still offer a local component, because I feel like it is important to meet in person, just because I think we give up community for convenience now, and that's that's, you know. Because you can get anything at home, right, you can get a degree at home, you can get dinner, you can get your groceries, you can get whatever. So there's something to be said about, even if occasionally, you know, putting yourself out there and connecting with people.
Speaker 2:We got to go outside. What Amy Jo is saying is y'all need to get outside, go outside. And this is a message I need to hear, because I am a homebody, amy, and, like I said, it's a big deal If you can get me to come out, I'm so honored. I've told people like I don't go outside a lot, you know.
Speaker 2:But, no, but I actually absolutely agree with you Like the convenience of just getting everything at home. The downside of that is we do lose community, so I that's why I just love what you're what you're creating.
Speaker 3:Thank you, yes, and I'm so glad you put pants on to come out and see me that.
Speaker 2:I did, I didn't, I just I put like I got, I got. You know I got. Because the other thing I've noticed is like and this is the same for Jodi Brim event too is like people, sort of like zhuzh up a bit.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean it's like and again, I think it's like I know it's going to be an experience. So let me sort of match the match the moment and like look cute, you always look cute. Um, so I, you know what I try to when I go outside well, and this is part of my thing too is like I did and you do too, and this is a very funny thing. This is a real thing, right, like you have, like we were making, like we put our faces on when we go out, like I like to. I it's, you know, people do see me dress down and like I definitely will have my bathrobe. I think I've done stuff in my bathrobe online, but I really do think about wanting to just show up for myself. Yes, I love good yoga pants and a t-shirt, but I do try to, like, when I go out, like put myself together, not for other people, but more like for myself, and I've noticed that.
Speaker 3:I do. I think there's something to be said about, but more like for myself and I've noticed that I do I think there's something to be said about you know and I don't do this every day, like before this, you know, I was in my green bathrobe, so but there's something to be said Like I feel like when you dress up and you put makeup on and you shave your underarms, you're like, okay, I feel better about myself, like I feel like I can do more, I feel more confident.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, Absolutely Like you, just yeah, you just feel like, okay, this is like I can, I'm, you know, I'm all together, Okay, so, Amy, we are at the part. This is like my favorite part of the interview. It's called the lightning round and are you ready?
Speaker 3:I'm sure. Okay, are you?
Speaker 2:ready? Okay, okay, are you ready? Okay, okay, don't be scared, don't be scared. I will just say, sometimes the lightning round can be a bit obvious.
Speaker 3:I love it.
Speaker 2:But we always have a lot of fun with it. Yeah, so what? Okay, so let's start with something easy. What is a motto or phrase that defines your personality or mindset? I would say I am not going to do what you tell me to do and that is why you are on Ungovernable Women. That is why you are ungovernable. I love that.
Speaker 3:I love that Can't be controlled, Can't be controlled.
Speaker 2:I am like I tell people ungovernable right. I love it. Um. So like what? Um? Is there a book you find yourself recommending um or or gifting.
Speaker 3:I don't. Actually, I would say my number one book is the Bible. This the sword of God. Okay, that will slice you right up. So, uh, you know, but I don't go around Bible thumping people either. So I would love to get to a point in my life when I actually have the time to read, but I feel like I haven't read a full book in about five years, just because life.
Speaker 2:Well, and you've got you know you've got young kids too Like it's it is. It is a real thing, especially when you're running your own business, you've got multiple businesses and you're a mom and it's like. It's like time is time is. It is really hard to capture. Okay, here's one. I want you to, I want you to just lean into this one. What's a secret, unpopular opinion? You hold.
Speaker 3:Oh my goodness, don't hold back. That is so tough. I'll say something on the lighter side, that's not really that deep. I do not enjoy calendar invites. I think they are heinous. I hate them and I will only let a small percentage of people send me a calendar invite because I have to control my calendar. I'm a control freak so I'm like this does not look right. Does it have the notes I want in it? So yeah, people love them, I do not.
Speaker 2:Okay, so we're going to pull the thread on this. This is a really good one. This is why I love this question. So you don't like it because you don't feel like people fill out? They don't do the calendar invite correctly, or is it just like there's people too many people are asking for my time? I don't want them. So what is it about the calendar?
Speaker 3:I think it's a couple of different things. One I've already added it, before you even thought to type it up, it's already in my calendar. If we discussed it, it's there. So now I have a duplicate. And then this is so silly, right, and then I'll have have a?
Speaker 2:it's a little unhinged, but keep going.
Speaker 3:It's a little unhinged, but keep going, and then I'll put my own wacky notes in there, like I can't edit your calendar invite, but I can edit mine. I can put whatever I want to like. Oh, I want to talk about this. I need to do this after I need to. So your calendar invite is messing up my already perfect calendar. Okay, I know it's a problem. It's a control problem.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is. You are an icon. I love that, I love that. So I love this question so much because that's so funny, like my thing. That drives me crazy is when, like people send it In fact, I probably will go on an Instagram harangue on this it's like they send you a calendar invite and it just has like something really cryptic in the subject header and you don't know what the meeting is about. So you're like well, what is the LTP? What is the LTP conversation?
Speaker 3:It makes sense to them, but not to you. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:It's like Right, and then it's like a month from when you Okay.
Speaker 2:I'm also unhinged about this thing. It's like a month from when you actually are going to have the meeting. So, like when it's time for the meeting, you're like what is this meeting Like? What is this Like? Do I need to be there? Because I don't know. I don't know what the LTP combo is, because there's no notes or anything Like. It's crazy, right. Okay, so people, what Amy and Portia are saying is get your shit together when it comes to calendar invites, but also, if you're going to, don't send Amy one because you just want to tell her what the meeting's about because she's going to put the invite in. But when it's a Zoom, what do you do? Because people are going to invite you to things and they're going to send you a link.
Speaker 2:I'll copy the Zoom link and put it in my own.
Speaker 3:I'm going to play with y'all. Y'all might go mess my calendar up. I'm like I got it. Don't worry about it, it's already down. You have to trust me.
Speaker 2:Amy, that is certifiably the most insane thing I've ever heard. Oh my, that is amazing. Okay, oh, okay, I am crying, I am crying. That is like you are leaving me in a shambles. Okay, so last question, last question what's a hobby you have that would surprise people? Oh, my gosh, what is a?
Speaker 3:hobby.
Speaker 2:What is a hobby?
Speaker 1:I know what a hobby is.
Speaker 2:A hobby is something you do for fun, that you don't have to make money doing. You just kind of do it.
Speaker 3:I'll tell you what. I'll tell you the closest thing I've had to a hobby lately and I get to do it about twice a year is floating in a pool at the spa. That's about it.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's very nice. That's very nice. Somebody I asked this question of another guest and she was like my hobby is making money. I love that. And I was like, okay, that's you know what. I will just say real talk. It is very hard to have hobbies. I've started to do like 3d puzzles just to relax, um, but I find most of the time it's hard to make. I'm like I work all the time and but I but I enjoy working too.
Speaker 3:That's the other thing so that's it, you know you know, like, where we are.
Speaker 2:We love what we do, um, but I, I love the idea of floating in a pool at a spa. That sounds, uh, that sounds divine. It's nice, amy, I has been. It's been such a delight to be with you today. And I'm wondering if there's like a final thought or word you wanted to leave with our listeners today.
Speaker 3:I just want to say be yourself, because the people that need you are looking for you, so let them find you, girl.
Speaker 2:Let them find you, girl. That is such a wonderful way to end our talk today, our conversation. Amy Jo, thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 3:Well, thank you so much.
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